personal opinion.....

[Markus Feilner]

Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 22:18 schrieb Martin Konold:
> Am Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 21:36 schrieb Joe Auty:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> > > How do you want to keep the coherent management infrastructure
> > > (kolabd) with
> > > e.g. a SUSE Apache?
> > >
> > > The problem is that SUSE admins expect that YaST handles the
> > > Apache, imapd,...
> > > configuration not kolab....
> >
> > Well, are there technical issues with mixing and matching user
> > installed parts with Kolab (i.e. Kolab requiring specific versions),
>
> Yes, Kolab requires enhanced versions (some patches and versions are
> required)
>
And why does it? Why are they necessary?
What exactly are the reasons that make patched software necessary?
Can you give some examples?

I am one of the "friends" Markus mentioned, and I have worked with different 
Groupware Servers. Only kolab seems to need patched versions of standard 
software to accomplish the same tasks like others do.
I have tried e.g. OpenXchange and before the SuSe Open-Xchange - and I 
consider its necessity for a java server disgusting and unnecessary, because 
other groupware solutions do without. The same seems to apply to Kolab with 
regards to:
- installation
- update,
- distribution integration,
- modular structure (more backends)

egroupware in fact could be a very good role model for Kolab at the moment.
Just try the installation and configuration routine - all from the browser - 
this is state of the art! The only thing missing is the ability to store 
groupware data in the IMAP folders.

Nevertheless, I like the Kolab approach, don't get me wrong!
And sadly, I was told this week that Kolab is out of the game in the Limux 
Project (Munich City) - Is this also because of the lack of modern online 
updates? Does anybody know? 


> > or are they issues of management,
>
> management is a big issue. E.g. when a user is added to Kolab several
> configuration files need to be modified and a cyrus imapd mailbox created
> etc.
>
> > installation, and organization?
>
> Installation and organization are very minor issues.
>
> BTW I still fail to understand why using the server componentes e.g. from
> RH etc. is considered a big advantage. What is the big problem in
> installing/upgrading/maintaining an OpenPKG rpm compared to a RH or SUSE
> rpm?
>
> Regards,
> -- martin

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