New mailing list and online documentation

Tue May 31 09:31:21 CEST 2022

Hello Troy,

Right now kolab16 is stuck on RHEL/CentOS 7, and that will most probably 
not change. We are however aware of the age of these platforms, and we 
are brewing on the upgrade scenario from Kolab16 to the new Kolab format 
(kolab 4).

A very very preliminary migration procedure;

Make a test system with fedora 35 (that's our reference at the moment)
clone https://git.kolab.org/source/kolab.git on to your workstation
Make changes to ansible/Makefile and ansible/hosts so that they point at 
the fedora 35 host
Run make setup on your workstation

Connect to your new kolab 4, and create a new group account

Export an ldif from your existing LDAP and import it into your new group 
account.

There will be more updates and changes to the knowledge base about this 
when we get a little closer to a more stable procedure.

Stay tuned.

Mads

On 19.05.2022 17:20, Carpenter, Troy wrote:
> Mads,
> 
> Thanks you for your email.  Like others I've been a little concerned
> about the future of Kolab.  I've been running Kolab since the v1 days,
> and today my system is still running Kolab 16 on a Centos 7 server.
> Fortunately, everything still works and I try to avoid "poking the
> bear" as they say for fear it will stop working and my home users will
> lose access to their data.
> 
> I have dabbled with other groupware servers, but none provided the
> end-user experience of Kolab and all would require painful migrations
> for my users (and let's be real, I have about 10 users, all family
> members).
> 
> What I'm looking for is clear direction on how to move my system to a
> more current server in terms of the base OS for security, and the
> latest Kolab code.  The biggest problem I've had in the past is that
> the Kolab information on the 'net is all over the map and never clear
> to which version it applies.
> 
> I'm looking forward to more info on the direction of Kolab.
> 
> Troy Carpenter
> 
> On 2022-03-23 06:54 AM, Mads Petersen wrote:
>> Hello Lennart, Hello all,
>> 
>> Thank you for your comments and your feedback. It is inspiring to see
>> movement on the community, and that made me want to give a short
>> overview of the situation - and perhaps a few words about the future
>> as we see it.
>> 
>> After the 'kolaps' (see what I did there..) of Kolab Systems, Apheleia
>> IT picked up the pieces, and are now working on developing Kolab
>> forward into the new decade. We are working on implementing the new
>> generation which we name 'Kolab 4', of which you will already be able
>> to see the results in action. This new Kolab generation will
>> eventually be the foundation of future Kolab on all the different
>> levels that we do.
>> 
>> A short overview of the Apheleia activities:
>> 
>> Kolab; is where the fun happens. This is the latest and greatest. This
>> is where new developments are done and R&D sometimes breaks everything
>> - until it is corrected and everyone moves forward. All new features
>> are developed here first, and is then pushed through QA towards the
>> other levels. Any community provided contributions will happen here.
>> All source is available on git.kolab.org.
>> 
>> Kolab Now; is the SaaS installation of Kolab, run and maintained by
>> Apheleia staff on servers in Bern, Switzerland. The targets are, among
>> others, to increase the awareness of Kolab among the internet
>> population, to tweak and proof the usecases of the Kolab reference
>> architecture, and to serve a group of users with special demands
>> matching the Kolab strong points.
>> 
>> Kolab Now is running the new Kolab 4.
>> 
>> CyComm; is the quality assured version of Kolab that is installed and
>> supported by the Apheleia staff. It is where the guarantees of updates
>> with no surprise (good or bad) are valid, and it is where support
>> subscriptions and SLAs are included. It was named to avoid the large
>> confusion of 'Kolab', 'Kolab Now', 'Kolab Enterprise', 'Kolab
>> Systems', 'Kolab Community', 'MyKolab', 'Kolab You Name It', etc, etc.
>> Although it is a pr subscription offering, it is all Free and Open
>> Source software. All code is available on git.kolab.org, and that is
>> how it should be.
>> 
>> git.kolab.org; is running a Phabricator front end, which unfortunately
>> is end of life (Phabriator is..). We have been very busy with moving
>> Kolab forward, and have had less time to think about the git front end
>> tooling. One of our goals for this year is, to engage more with the
>> community, and perhaps find a new and useful replacement for
>> Phabricator (which, as mentioned, is end of life).
>> 
>> Facilitating the community; You will probably not see Apheleia staff
>> take support questions on the mailing list anytime soon, but we do
>> want to facilitate the community better than we have done lately. We
>> do read the discussions and learn what we can from those.  Hence we
>> are very happy for this mail, and for any of your ideas and input as
>> to how we could improve the life of you as a community member. We will
>> not make any promises (we are a small team) but symbiosis is the wave
>> of the future.
>> 
>> I hope that this short overview contains useful information, and that
>> we can find a way to collect rather than separate.
>> 
>> Sincerely
>> 
>> Mads Petersen
>> Creator of chaos
>> Apheleia IT AG
>> 
>> 
>> On 08.03.2022 15:07, Lennart wrote:
>>> Dear Kolab community,
>>> 
>>> Since a while ago the online docs have not been updated (T6055 [1])
>>> and the mailing list web site has been down (T6220 [2]). It does not
>>> look like Apheleia IT (the company that now runs Kolab) is interested
>>> in fixing this. Hence, it might be time to take matters in our own
>>> hands.
>>> 
>>> I have uploaded the latest git version of the documentation to
>>> kolab.dlnet.org/docs [3].
>>> 
>>> I started a new users mailing list that can be found here:
>>> kolab.dlnet.org/listserver [4].
>>> 
>>> Of course to revive the community much more would need to be done. I
>>> don't have much time to contribute substantially, but I hope that
>>> providing these vital services can be a starting point. Please let me
>>> know what you think.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Lennart
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Links:
>>> ------
>>> [1] https://git.kolab.org/T6055
>>> [2] https://git.kolab.org/T6220
>>> [3] http://kolab.dlnet.org/docs/
>>> [4] https://kolab.dlnet.org/listserver/
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