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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dear all,</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I found a solution without having to temporarily remove kolab:</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I had a look at what aptitude dist-upgrade proposed, and then did</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'monospace'; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">apt-install default-mysql-client default-mysql-server</span><span style=" font-family:'monospace';"><br /></span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">which was a step in the right direction. Now aptitude dist-upgrade proposed to remove cyrus-imapd. This made me wonder how this could be, so I checked</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'monospace'; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">root@kolab:~# apt-cache policy cyrus-imapd </span><span style=" font-family:'monospace';"><br />cyrus-imapd: <br /> Installed: 2.5.11.41-0~kolab2 <br /> Candidate: 2.5.11.41-0~kolab2 <br /> Version table: <br /> 2.5.11.41-0~kolab2 501 <br /> 501 http://obs.kolabsys.com/repositories/Kolab:/16/Debian_9.0 ./ Packages <br />*** 2.5.11.41-0~kolab2 100 <br /> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status <br /> 2.5.10-3 500 <br /> 500 http://mirror.hetzner.de/debian/packages stretch/main amd64 Packages <br /> 500 http://http.debian.net/debian stretch/main amd64 Packages<br /><br /></span>which made me suspect that two different versions of this package exist that have the exact same version string, and in fact there are some subtle differences e.g. in the Depends (look for libpci3 for example).</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'monospace'; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">root@kolab:~# apt-cache show cyrus-imapd </span><span style=" font-family:'monospace';"><br />Package: cyrus-imapd <br />Version: 2.5.11.41-0~kolab2 <br />Architecture: amd64 <br />Maintainer: Jeroen van Meeuwen (Kolab Systems) <vanmeeuwen@kolabsys.com> <br />Installed-Size: 4591 <br />Depends: postfix | mail-transport-agent, adduser (>= 3.34), dpkg (>> 1.9.0), netbase (>= 4.07), gawk, libc6 (>= 2.14), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libdb5.3, libjansson4 (>= 2.<br />0.1), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libpci3 (>= 1:3.5.2-1), libpcre3, libsasl2-2, libsensors4 (>= 1:3.0.0), libsnmp30 (>= 5.7.3+dfsg-1.7~dfsg), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), libwrap<br />0 (>= 7.6-4~), libzephyr4, perl (>= 5.24.1-3+deb9u4), perlapi-5.24.1 <br />Suggests: sasl2-bin, apt-listchanges (>= 2.35) <br /></span></p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'monospace';"><br />standard mail spool. It stores mail in a separate directory in its <br />own MH-like format. <br />Description-md5: 784eb5fed1d37ab067b173ecc415ee36 <br /><br />Package: cyrus-imapd <br />Status: install ok installed <br />Priority: extra <br />Section: mail <br />Installed-Size: 4371 <br />Maintainer: Jeroen van Meeuwen (Kolab Systems) <vanmeeuwen@kolabsys.com> <br />Architecture: amd64 <br />Version: 2.5.11.41-0~kolab2 <br />Replaces: cyrus-common-2.2, cyrus-common-2.3, cyrus-common-2.4, cyrus-imapd-2.2, cyrus-imapd-2.3, cyrus-imapd-2.4, cyrus22-common, cyrus22-imapd, cyrus23-common, cyrus23<br />-imapd, cyrus24-common, cyrus24-imapd <br />Provides: cyrus-common-2.2, cyrus-common-2.3, cyrus-common-2.4, cyrus-imapd-2.2, cyrus-imapd-2.3, cyrus-imapd-2.4, cyrus22-common, cyrus23-common, cyrus24-common, imap-s<br />erver, pop3-server <br />Depends: postfix | mail-transport-agent, adduser (>= 3.34), dpkg (>> 1.9.0), netbase (>= 4.07), gawk, libasn1-8-heimdal (>= 1.4.0+git20110226), libc6 (>= 2.14), libcomer<br />r2 (>= 1.01), libdb5.3, libgssapi3-heimdal (>= 1.4.0+git20110226), libjansson4 (>= 2.0.1), libkrb5-26-heimdal (>= 1.4.0+git20110226), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libpci3 (<br />>= 1:3.2.1-1), libpcre3 (>= 1:8.35), libroken18-heimdal (>= 1.4.0+git20110226), libsasl2-2, libsensors4 (>= 1:3.0.0), libsnmp30 (>= 5.7.2.1+dfsg-1+deb8u1+b1~dfsg), libss<br />l1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), libzephyr4, perl (>= 5.20.2-3+deb8u11), perlapi-5.20.2 <br /></span></p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'monospace';"><br />standard mail spool. It stores mail in a separate directory in its <br />own MH-like format. <br />Description-md5: 784eb5fed1d37ab067b173ecc415ee36 <br />Homepage: http://www.cyrusimap.org/<br /><br /></span>So I went ahead and did an apt install cyrus-imapd, which (not sure why) updated to the newer version with the same version name. Then some more dependency digging told me that I have to downgrade php-sabre-dav-2.1 from</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">version 2.1.11-1 (not sure where this came from, I think from kolabsys) to version 2.10-1 from Debian stretch:</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and voilá - the dist-upgrade succeeded without removing kolab!</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers,</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Johannes</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">P.S.: I do think that this could at least partially have been avoided if the version string in the Debian 9 repo would be always different from the version string in the Debian 8 repo. For example, for my R backports repositories on CRAN, I always append ~stretchcran.0 to the version string for backports to stretch, and ~jessiecran.0 for backports to jessie. Here ~kolab2 was used for both repositories.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Am Mittwoch, 5. September 2018, 11:09:42 CEST schrieb Johannes Ranke:<br /></p>
<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Am Dienstag, 4. September 2018, 12:49:23 CEST schrieb Christoph Erhardt:</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Hi Matthias,</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> in my experience, Kolab 16 is just as stable on Debian Stretch as it is on</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Jessie.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> To upgrade, you typically change all APT sources, then run "apt</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> dist-upgrade". Some manual intervention may be required afterwards: for</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> instance, you may have to make sure that all PHP 5 packages are upgraded to</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> their PHP 7 counterparts. That involves a bit of fumbling, but no rocket</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> science. Should any questions arise in the process, feel free to ask them</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> here or on IRC.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I will gladly take this opportunity to ask here: I changed my APT sources (both for debian and for kolab) to stretch / Debian 9.0, took the usual precautions and started the upgrade. After the minimal upgrade with apt-get upgrade two times which went fine and upgraded a lot of packages, I get</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'monospace'; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">root@kolab:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d# apt-get dist-upgrade </span><span style=" font-family:'monospace';"><br />Reading package lists... Done <br />Building dependency tree <br />Reading state information... Done <br />Calculating upgrade... The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: <br /> 389-admin 389-admin-console 389-console 389-ds 389-ds-base 389-ds-base-libs<br /> <br /> ...</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'monospace';"><br /> sa-compile sane-utils smarty3 socat spamassassin spamc update-inetd wallace zendframework <br />Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. <br />Done <br />The following packages will be REMOVED: <br /> chwala erlang-webtool irony kolab kolab-webclient libcwidget3 libnss3-1d libpcrecpp0 libperl5.20 libproxy1 libpython3.4-minimal libpython3.4-stdlib libreadline6-dev <br /> libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libwxbase3.0-0 libwxgtk3.0-0 mysql-client-5.5 mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5 perl-modules php-sabre-dav-2.1 python3.4 python3.4-minimal <br />The following NEW packages will be installed: <br /> ca-certificates-java default-java-plugin default-jre default-jre-headless </span></p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'monospace';"><br /> r-cran-survival r-recommended re2c reportbug <br />129 upgraded, 94 newly installed, 23 to remove and 0 not upgraded. <br />Need to get 237 MB/240 MB of archives. <br />After this operation, 633 MB of additional disk space will be used. <br />Do you want to continue? [Y/n]<br /></span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am not sure I want to remove kolab, kolab-webclient, chwala and irony in the process, if they get removed it must be for some dependency problem, so I am not sure I will be able to reinstall them afterwards. Any thoughts on this?</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Johannes</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> For obvious reasons, I recommend creating a full backup before the upgrade.</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Best regards,</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Christoph</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> On Tuesday, 4 September 2018 12:26:12 CEST Matthias Busch wrote:</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > this is quite valuable information. many thanks.</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > how stable is kolab 16 on stretch?</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > do I just change debian apt/sources to stretch and run dist-upgrade?</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > I just saw, documentation now has debian9 too...</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > What process do you recommend to upgrade from kolab 16 on deb8 to deb9?</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > change only debian or only kolab or both apt sources?</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > run apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade between what changes?</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > (usually, I change all apt sources, run upgrade, then dist-upgrade)</p>
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