<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/28/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Joon Radley</b> <<a href="mailto:joon@radleys.co.za">joon@radleys.co.za</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Alain,<br><br>> Yes, he will choose the shiny at first, but if he get problems,<br>> fall back the less less shiny, but working one.<br><br>But why be the fourth or fifth choice when such a small change can make you
<br>the first choice?</blockquote><div><br>Not sure its small !<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> Are you speaking about fellows that will configure KOLAB, and maybe
<br>troubleshoot it<br>> when problems occur ? Yes you are :-)<br>> Maybe your are mistaking knowledge and easiness!<br>> Cars are safer and easier to drive but you still need a driving licence.<br>> IT manager is responsible for tens of peoples, he need knowledge too!
<br>> But we can make is life easier.<br><br>Huh? The learning curve on maintaining a running system is much lower that<br>install a new OS and trying to compile software for the first time in your<br>life. Most system administrator that have never worked on Linux or compiled
<br>software in their careers. Scripting is about the only source code they have<br>ever seen.</blockquote><div><br>Take that like an exam to be able to drive a linux server!<br>Maintaining means to solve problems too! <br>
We are not helping peoples when making them thing they are able to do such thing (drive a linux server<br>or a kolab mail system). <br>Free software has no commercial goals and dont need to mislead people.<br><br>BUT, I repeat, I'm not against make the manager live easier or make him more smart "forcing"
<br>him read some INSALL guide, FAQ, HOWTO ....<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">The products and product descriptions I have seen will install a Linux OS,
<br>install Kolab from binary and help you with a GUI configuration of the Kolab<br>server. This would bring Kolab inline with top commercial product.<br><br>> download, compile, bootstrap, login !<br>> This is not difficult !
<br>> Maybe Installing tutorials should help, messages like "The installation<br>can be long 2 or<br>> 4H depending your hardware" or<br>> "The installation is successful, you cans now start bootstrap" ...
<br><br>Yes it does sound simple, but it does not reflect reality. With the 2.1 RC1<br>I took a machine installed FC6 and ran obmtool after about 8 hours of<br>frustration I finally contacted the list and I was pointed to the wiki. I
<br>have been working with Linux and developing software on it since 1995 and I<br>was frustrated, image someone brand new to Linux and Kolab. Most other<br>solutions just requires a 15-45 minute install, no compiling.<br>
<br>And it not just me, I have supported thousands of people since 2003 with the<br>Kolab and the "difficult" install remains he highest reason for people not<br>picking Kolab as a solution.</blockquote><div><br>
One more, we can not let people drive without licence. They need the knowledge or know someone that <br>have them, in both case they have also the solution to install it (themself or by the guy that know).<br><br>I was more afraid when installing my first exchange than when installing my first zymbra.
<br>Probably because I read some doc on how to install Zimbra first.<br><br>Regards<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Best Regards<br><br>Joon Radley<br>Radley Network Technologies CC<br>Cell: +27 (0)83 368 8557<br>Fax: +27 (0)12 998 4346<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:joon@radleys.co.za">joon@radleys.co.za</a><br>Web: <a href="http://www.toltec.co">
www.toltec.co</a>.<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Kolab-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Kolab-devel@kolab.org">Kolab-devel@kolab.org</a><br><a href="https://kolab.org/mailman/listinfo/kolab-devel">
https://kolab.org/mailman/listinfo/kolab-devel</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>--<br>Alain Spineux<br>aspineux gmail com<br>May the sources be with you<br>